I FIND IT SO AGGRAVATING when I get to the "pay" part of an interview and the applicant says "Nope I work for CASH only and will not give out her SS info etc or allow SS taxes and Medicare to be taken out. WHat is the general feeling ?
What I have found is that if you have a great person, for the job, and you are paying enough...For a nursing assistant 19.00 may seem like a lot, but if you look into what it costs for a facility...19.00 an hour is nothing. What everyone tries to do is save the nest egg for themselves, and scrimp on the payment for mom's last years. Put yourself in your mom's position...isn't it worth, while you are making 120,000. to have a nursing assistant that recalls together the time they both spent in Venice, and it makes her laugh, then to have a babysitter spending time with her that you pay 8-10 an hour. You are going to pay me $19.00 but I am going to be the person that your mom really talks to and spends sometimes the last hours of her life. You decide...
You can always go through an agency to find a caregiver and you won't have this problem...with that being said most private caregiver's/cna's are not offered a substantial amount of money for taking on an enormous responsibility to care for a loved one. I feel that is the main reason cash is requested with no end of the year tax deductions....
I can understand the frustration, but there are numerous factors to consider. 1) It's 2018. Giving a SSN to anyone but an established business/employer or a potential creditor is simply not advisable today. For anyone who has been a victim of identity theft, this will be even more of an issue. And who can blame them? 2) Sometimes it comes down to what hourly wage one is being offered. At the lower end of one's preferred range, cash will be preferable. At the higher end of one's preferred range, one may be more likely to accept being paid and having taxes taken out.
I do not give any care employers my SS# they are not an established "business" and I will not do it, there is nothing in place to safe guard me from them misusing my number or their carelessness, if my private personal information fell into the hands of someone that frequented their home and stole my information. I do my own taxes at the end of the year by showing my deposits, going over mileage and expenses with my CPA and its worked out just fine for me for many many years. I do accept cash or checks sometimes even a trade if they really can't afford to pay for services. A suggestion for your situation would be to be upfront with your prospective Nannies about what you are looking for instead of waiting until... You mention how you want to pay them while you conduct your phone interview, before the face to face. Be proactive in your search and your searches will be more lucrative which will save all involved their time and both parties can find who they really want an employment contract with.
I can appreciate your frustration, but that is an easy fix. When you answer a potential Caregivers Application be sure to ask how they want to be paid, thus saving you and the Caregiver time.
I am set up with home pay thru care.com and they take out all my taxes and it gets direct deposited into my account. This way I am completely compliant with federal and state laws.
Anyone who is not willing to do their pay on the books is not the person you want taking care of your loved one.
they just want to work under the table and not deal with taxes. If you want the tax write off then you need to find someone who will give out their SS#
Sometimes people are semi-retired and are working to keep their head above water, they are only allowed to make so much per month without it affecting their benefits.
It's ILLEGAL. You could also mention to the potential employee they are only hurting themselves by not putting into their own SSI. Not to mention, as a potential employer you have every right to know EXACTLY who is working for you and this means getting proof. This is a giant red flag, I would simply move on to the next applicant.
Everyone has their preferences and ways of doing things. But if they really want to work then they should be willing to do what is needed for the job. Change and flexibility is always a good characteristic.
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I can give out my ss tp prove I am eligible to work
That is tax evasion and it is illegal. Refuse to hire unless they provide these details.
It is fraudulent to not pay taxes.
Every caregiver is different! You just keep looking until you find a caregiver that wants taxes and so on taken out. Trust me there are many.
Care.com states that this is a W-2 payment plan. Ask before you discuss you move forward whether the caregiver follows this. Some may not, you have to decide in advance if you are willing to hire a caregiver paying cash. Ask about references, history. etc, then decide.
I understand that because if you get SS you are limented to how much you can make or they will take part of your SS for what you made extra.
People feel insecure about giving out personal information on both ends of the spectrum. I would suggest that possibly paying in cash for the first month with you both have time to get to know one another and if you find that this will be a long term engagement then proceed with the personalized information
I have no problem being paid by checks nor do I have issues with allowing SS taxes to be deducted. It's all about agreeing on terms that are fair and beneficial for both.
I perfer to work for cash! Let me explain why. I have been given bad personnal checks in the past. That presents an awkward situation for everyone involved. But frustrated when families just ignoring it and don't make it right.
You are doing the right thing and you are blessed to find out NOW about their unethical behaviors rather than later. It's a requirement and the law to pay income tax and anyone who wants to avoid that ..it's a STONG indicator that they may have other behaviors that will be equally as unethical. One thing to consider that on the very first line of your email to them or response is to say that you are committed to paying taxes or reporting the fees and you want to start off with that commitment with both parties otherwise no need to move further in the interview process. Best of luck and truly consider it a blessing that you find out about their character early on!
As an employer you are legally required to either deduct taxes and provide a W2 each year or not deduct taxes and provide a 1099 each year (to both the employee and IRS). Whether or not you comply depends on your appetite for risk.
She is scamming lol
I'm not sure why caregivers are saying that, if they really want to work. Maybe be very specific in your posting about the pay.
If it is your legal liability to file applicant with tax deducted wages, then stick to your method of payment. If there is no legal requirement to with-hold taxes, reduce your cash payment wage, and pay applicant with cash
I think it's best to let people know how you plan to pay them before the interview because of this issue. I am not saying to discuss hourly wage and pay in depth before you meet, but to simply let them know if you have a specific way that you plan to pay. I will typically ask ahead of time because I prefer having taxes taken out, but I do not like to mess with 1099s. I make that known ahead of time so I don't waste my time or theirs. Some people may just assume that a babysitter or nanny would get cash and not think to mention that ahead of time. When I handled the care of an elderly woman i ran into this issue. We made some exceptions for older women who didn't want to mess up their social security for a part time or as needed case, but mostly did not hire somebody who wasn't willing to give out SS info for taxes. I would say though, that if you are hiring someone for 6 hours a week or something that they might not find it worth it to work "on the books"
I wouldn't give my SS# either it's my right and I do not feel comfortable as a private caregiver due to identity theft hire through agency you don't have to worry about getting SS# nor taking taxes out
Many families don't want to be bothered with that step. I say good on you and tell them you will only employ someone who is willing to work and do it the legal way. Otherwise, its a no-go!
The best solution to avoid frustration is to make it crystal clear in the job posting or from the beginning of the job interview that paying under the table is not an option, it could save you some time and frustration. On the other hand some possible future employees have come in stating cash only and I have explained the benefits of going by the books and they have agreed. Sometimes with a bit more information, people can become more open to an idea especially when it is beneficial for all involved!
If that conversation is aggravating to you, then I would think perhaps you should state the method of payment prior to interview.
Some caregivers work under the table. People do not like to be 1099'nd and have spent the tax portion. I myself will accept a check. I think you are protecting your loved one by knowing if the caregiver is abusive or not. I have proven to be worthy as I was employed for a year and a half. You cannot trust everyone though.
I like doing my own taxes and it saves the individual money.
Ask the question up front prior to interviewing the person
I apologize for your frustrations. But please take into consideration tha5 not all people seeking assistance on care.com are dependable and trust worthy. For a caregiver to release their ss numve4 for tax purposes is very unlikely unless the private pay has their own legitimate payroll services. This ensures caregiver of pertinent and professionalism of the private client. This is a as needed sire, as well work full-time or part time going to school for some caregivers. But make no mistake, it is highly not to ask a caregiver for their ss number if you do not have your own payroll company handling taxes and/or paying appropriately. Caregivers can accept cash, or check, or credit card, as well ge5 paid through cash apps, Venmo etc..for payments. Most do work for cash only. It's the most efficient and reliable especially if working for additional funding and in school and/or have another payroll employment. I do hope this answered your question, and you understand that it's business and caregivers must look out for their well being as well. If you are concern of taxes, you should keep a ledger of payments to report to IRS at end of year.
Some of these people do this as a side job or they do not have legal right to work. Essentially its up to your personal discretion. Better care sometimes comes at a cost.
When one is getting to know someone, if any "red flags" are raised, I recommend that you move on to the next applicant. Trust your intuition!
That sounds extremely uncomfortable. id wonder why does this individual only accept cash. Then ask for background information.
It's her prerogative.
It is a low paying job in the scheme of things. Every penny counts. There are many jobs available that pay cash... Many caregivers will only work like that because at the end of the day they make more money for their efforts.
If a person is working they should be willing to pay SS and taxes.
I do not mind receiving Cash, check or payroll. Thank you.
Maybe she has another job and don't want her job to know about this job. This person may needing some parttime work to make ends meet. Giving out personal information is not a great idea.
Feeling probably guilt on person who doesn't want to give S.S. There always wrong choice follow by this. When the time come to collect S.S they will always wander why they are not collecting anything.
If they ask to be paid in cash only, suggest they fill out a 1099 as an "Independent Contractor" They would then be responsible to pay their own taxes.
I don't mind potential clients asking for my SS and taxes info. I would rather be up front and have the taxes taken out during the entire year not just at tax time.
Should have SS for long period of time for job.
it's common to work under the table if you want to apply to income tax or whatever either hire through agency or find someone else that will allow to give information but in this day in age people are skeptical to give out their personal info.
Obviously, they do not want to claim anything or pay taxes, so if you want to be open and honest about paying your fair share of taxes, you shouldn't have anything to do with that caregiver. Because if one is dishonest in one thing, they could be dishonest in another... You're either honest, or you're not.
Everyone is trying to make a living and save what money they have. Government assistance is helpful, but rarely sufficient to provide adequate support. Yet working even part time can actually be counterproductive when reported. You lose your benefits in relation to the amount earned so you still cannot survive. Not to say the system cannot be abused - such as working full time for $20 an hour and getting assistance. Is it really any worse when a family member wants to pay $10 an hour for an experienced caregiver? The point is each situation has to be discussed and thought about. Simply saying don't hire someone who works under the table is ignorant.
You may not like rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but it's the law. And true, the way it's set up you really can't get ahead, so it is tempting to cheat, but it's still wrong. So it isn't ignorant if you choose to be honest.
that they need to work off the radar
I will like to give out my SS info,I will allow SS Taxes and i will not want CASH only
Big red flag. If they don't want the deductions you can hire this person as a subcontractor but you need her/his SS to send the 1099 at the end of the year. If they refuse to provide their SS they might not be authorized to work in USA or they are trying to hide their income because they don't want to pay taxes, as simple as that. If that's her/his work ethic, I wouldn't hire this person to take care or assist anybody.
wow/the giving out SS is mostly a precaution on the individual path.work for cash only can be handle more professionally.
Find an applicant that you want to interview that lets you know BEFORE the interview that this is ok. Therefore, you don't waste anyone's time, nor yours. Also, in many cases, some people do not have social security numbers because they are immigrants and they do not have one. I suggest that you have compassion for their situation but find what you are looking for first, then establish the interview.
paying care givers should be easy
Many caregivers take the private route because it is a second job , therefore they may not be as open to taxes Medicare ect. Being deducted. Then there are also many families seeking care who have created this problem for people such as urself because they will only pay cash. I generally don't mind if it is a cash paying job or not. Work is work and if so someone needs employment and is going to be reliable then I would assume they would feel the same.
I am very happy to have wages recorded and taxed with proper tax form completed
I am flexible, can be paid either way - 'on the books' or 'under the table' - I can make adjustments as needed with a tax prep service, either way.
I feel like that's there choice but as and employer all taxes will be taking out
Caregivers should be open to receive any kind of payment, even though I understand the prevention with the SS number, it is necessary if it is to the matter of employment.
I personally don't mind cash, check. I have no problem with giving out my SS for SS taxes and Medicare to be taken out. I feel the reason being why specific people want cash is because they don't get to claim that at the end of the year when tax season comes up.
I have no problem to allow SS taxes and Medicare to be taken out.
Yes, I can imagine that; its unprofessional!
I would feel the person is avoiding paying taxes on his/her income and is not an honest person!
Lots of people who do this kind of work are drawing some type of check from the government. You are only allowed to earn so much, and it has to be reported exactly what you are earning. They are afraid of getting their income garnished or stopped. Some people just don't understand the laws from IRS. When they are contacted, they panic. It is a royal pain in the butt!
I can understand the frustration, but if I could make a suggestion you could add it in your profile what is the preferred payment method so you can avoid wasting any of your time on thoughts applicants.
well if there is no need and the family can afford to lay them to rest then why not other wise you will be left with there bills and debt
I am willing to receive pay anyway you want.
They should give the person interviewing them more options to pay them. And it would be better to allow ss taxes and medicare to be taken out. The person might come down on their pay a bit.
Sometimes cash is easy for low income people who do not have accounts set up. I would encourage them to set one up.
people have many reasons for that,some get medical help for love one and does not want to loose that,cant afford to loose tha many reasons.
Some don't trust receiving checks and rather have cash. But it wouldn't matter to me. Some may be on ss and can't make to much money, while others may be getting disability and where they not supposed to be working. And this is why they prefer cash.
I not ok I think we all need to pay taxes
well make it legal in your job ad that u pay by payroll or check only, this way every one will know
Taxes are the sole responsibility of the caregiver, thus poss. Her frustration. We must be willing to receive a 1099 from our clients so that cost of care can be easily accounted for when our clients do the medical need deduction for themselves.
That they don't want to claim the money for tax reasons.
Filing income taxes is the law and not reporting is dishonest and breaking the law.
I do not agree in paying "cash" or under the table. I believe in paying taxes when it is due. If I have a choice how to paid, I want to be paid through payroll.
I don't agree on getting paid "cash" or under the table. I believe in paying taxes when it is due. If I have a choice, I like to be paid by payroll.
Some people want cash some don't care just as long as they get paid.
when cash is earned instead of W2 earnings, the caregiver is responsible for paying self employment taxes on that earned income which will cover SSI and Medicare taxes.
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I don't mind getting paid on the books; having taxes taken out.
They are probably out on disability themselves or they dont have a SS number
The caregiver (s) who state such ,are not interested in their retirement or future, they are concerned with the "now", its on them.I would recommend to find a caregiver who will except check payments, at least.I have 20 years experience and have filed as a Independent Contractor and file a 1099 form, reporting all income, some are not interested in letting the govt know they are making $$$.You may ask them to sign a "cash" receipt so then could not come back and deny they were paid for their services.
It is ideal to put as much information in your posting so as to avoid wasting your time and that of the applicant. I would indicate if a position was "on the books" in the posting. Many postings also fail to mention the gender of the client or the nature of his or her physical limitations and/or medical conditions. Having this info would save people on both ends a lot of time.
This website accounts for that if you want taxes taken out. I would rather do that and it gets you off the hook as well.
Some are not wanting to give that info because of their safety and privacy. You need my business who can accommodate you as need fit. I would like to assist with your care needs I give receipts, Business name Live Love & Laugh - Home Care Services, LLC., and a itemized list of weekly payments for your easy record tax keeping. I am in the Columbia, Gaston, Elgin, Lugoff, area and Florence, Charleston, Darlington, Hilton head, etc.
You are onlyhurting yourself. Plus, if they turn in their care, you could be looking at IRS problems.
most private caregivers are looking to supplement an existing income without effecting their benefits such as food stamps. The reason being they view a lot of the jobs as temporary. By the time a care giver comes into the picture, most clients are at end of life transition. They try to provide services the client needs without giving up something they may need for themselves or to support their families. For instance I just lost a client after only 3 weeks. Its hard to think about, but caregiving is a calling not a job. We all must do what we must to take care of our clients, but clients must realize most of us have another life outside that must be protected as well. Not all of us are able to wait on a check from medicare or other government agencies, which by the way takes months and sometimes HMOs never pay. This is a nationwide issue and Drs are even refusing to accept some HMOs due to never being paid. As far as social security numbers and taxes go, that information should have already been given upfront for a background check and drug testing. I would never hire anyone to care for my mom or dad without doing that first. Even then you just never know what kind of person your dealing with.
many private caretakers work for cash so they don't have to claim it on taxes not very smart on there part
Receiving benefits is always good and paying your taxes is a very important part of that.
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That seems sketchy
Basically the caregiver maybe working for themselves(self employment) and need the option to handle the taxes at the end of the year.
How about a Trail run , if the caregiver stay on for 90 days . Then talk about .1099 Ask yourself who are you really hiring for Mom or Dad You need to protect yourself First .
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It's understandable these days that people do not want to give out vital information that can compromise they identity. On the other hand, they should have a trusting relationship with their employer and should feel somewhat comfortable giving this information in order to get paid. Seems silly to not have these deductions taken out of their pay, when it only benefits them in the long term.
I am a caregiver and when I built my account it asked if I would take jobs "On the Books?" I assume there is a way for you to locate those that will (I personally will.) If you need assistance email the care.com team. They usually respond in 24 hours. Good luck on your searches.
I have came from both point of views and usually the ones who work for cash only and will not give you that information is the ones who are getting benefits through welfare or SSI and they would then have to claim that income so I say I think it should be put out there if you get this job I am claiming to take out taxes so they know upfront that is what is expected.
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I would recommend a phone interview first and cover method of payment before going any further. (I pay by direct deposit or personal check so I would need your SS information) If they decline at least you have not wasted much of your time or theirs. Also that is something you could put in the ad. (Paid with personal check or direct deposit so taxes will be taken out of your check).
Everyone you hire should give you their SS #.. If they want to be cash paid, you will need their SS#, so you can 1099 them. That way they will be responsible for taxes etc...
As an employer you have to stand firm in telling your caregiver that you have agreed to what system of payment has been agreed upon and it`s important to have the SS and medicare to be taken ;so there`s no more headache for both of them at the end of the year for the payment od SS taxes and medicare.The genral feeling is the trust issue .it`s important in every relationship to have trust.
It is better to have taxes taken out and get paid by check.
It really doesn't make a big difference with me. Whatever the client prefers is fine with me. I file my taxes every year and not many clients know how much to take out of someones check anyhow. It would really make it more difficult for them rather then to just pay you cash for the time you worked.
If they have worked for you then you pay them in cash and send them on their way. If they are asking for cash only then they are not paying any income taxes. You don't them as bad as they need you.
Cash only is pretty widely accepted. The pay is so low to start with. Are you willing to also pay for workman's comp insurance?
Workers would rather do it themselves at tax time, unless using they are using the payroll system on here that is costly to the provider, workers dont want to give out their SS number and info to a stranger which is understandable in the world today.
For me, that's a plus I want ss and medicare taking out, one less thing I have to worry about.
I would be extremely cautious about working with someone like that. If someone lists they accept payments aside cash then they should do so. Many can online via HomePay and that info is already there, which is why I think HomePay is a great tool for both providers and clients. Many people use scams on websites looking for peoples identities to steal so some may be cautious, while others may not be able or willing to be paid "on the books".
no comment. use your best judgement.
That is the legal way to do it and however the family decides to pay is fine with me. I can understand the aggravation, of the family for an employee not to cooperation.
I've always accepted a check for payment.
I would loved to be in the pay roll, Good citizen will pay tax .
People now days are hard to Trust so to ask for cash to ensure that you are paid for the honest service you have provided for a week, is not unheard. Especially after hearing the horror stories some CNAs share..Honesty goes both ways after you have established a honest relationship, being assure that taxes will be paid I think is a great ideal.
That is her prerogative...so, you move on to someone who will!
cash is king
Taxes and death are 2 things we all have to endure!!!!!!
A smart caregiver would be happy to have the employer deducts her portion of the taxes. Often retired or caregivers that are on disability can not show that income. They are paid disability SSI because they can not work. Generally it is not a good idea to hire a caregiver that does not have good ethics and morals. Great caregivers carry malpractice insurance and have q level 2 background check done. Look to interview those caregivers and you will be happy that you did.
that's because they don't want to pay taxes,useless people n this world
I believe thats concerning.what is it that you have to hide? Pay taxes like everyone else
How do you change the amount of your payment rate on profile?