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Is the "Salary" Fair?

I am trying to figure out what is a fair "salary" for a live in family assistant. I am in the planning phase of being a single mother by choice of 4-6 children. I also have 3 dogs that I want my assistant/nanny to help with.I live half of the year in Wisconsin and the other half in California or Hawaii. I am offering $65,000 to $72,000 a year or roughly $5,900 a month for 60 hour weeks for 2 years then 40/50 hours weeks at year 3 onward with at least a 3% raise each review year. They will have a 800 sq ft  house to themselves in private area of a 90 acre property, ability to use car for work and personal use, medical benefits including fertility diagnoses and treatment, clothes allowance, and free travel. They will receive 7-30 days of paid vacation days, 3-20 paid sick days, and 20 days of paid holidays. They will be a supervisor to also an Au Pair, and 2 additional family care employees. I will also be a stay at home working mom so they should never be alone with the kids as it is impossible to think that one person can handle the brewed of people/animals. They are not there to raise my children, but to be my helper and an extra pair of hands. I know I am asking a lot, but due to health reasons if I am going to have the large big family I have always wanted then I have to do that now or never. Am I asking too much, do they need more help, money, benefits? I'm trying to do the right thing as I was a nanny once to 6 children at $10 an hour and it was horrible. 

Would love some feedback.

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I think that you are being extremely fair in compensation. It sounds like you truly understand, and want long term loving help.

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Your offer is very fair. It's great to know that there are employers like you still out there that actually give such deep consideration to there employees. It would be easy to work for an employer like you.

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Depends on what it is.

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Wow, you're actually offering a very generous position. Can you hire me? I'll pack my bags right now

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Olivia in Durham, NC
July 29, 2018

I personally think a salary is fair! With any job, you may have to work over 40 hours in one week, but then you may only work a few days the next. Regardless of hours, you are able to stay on top of finances knowing what you will be bringing home each week!

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 29, 2018

Olivia, Exactly, the goal is to have them only work 40 hrs, but going through IVF multiples is a real situation so I would rather say I need you for 60 hours 5 days a week than you get hired for 40 hours and actually need you more. He/She will have a lot of say on their hours in the long run as once we get on a schedule and figure out what I really need I would want them only to be on 40 hours or less with same pay.

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Pikul in San Jose, CA
July 29, 2018

this is awesome salary

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Honestly, I'm only 19 years old and don't know much about benefits or salaries, but this job sounds great and like you've considered a lot! It does sound like hard work, but for a young person who's able to be on their feet and go with the flow of whatever your needs are, this sounds like a great opportunity! The pay sounds great, benefits great, and the vacation/sick/holiday days are generous. Getting to live for half the year in Hawaii while getting paid and benefits is a dream!

get paid in cash. That's the easiest. Two to three kids I would ask for $20/hr. Little kids are harder. Hawaii sounds nice, but make sure you have it on paper. They need to pay you to leave too. Say it doesn't work out, and they send you home...the should have a plan and you should know what is it. you need spending money and hours for the week.

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Sarah in Orlando, FL
July 29, 2018

Within what has been here in the state, this salary is good for 60 hours. From what I understand, a person must live in the house. And if you like family? Will there be room for this family to resist in this house too? Is this service like a manager?

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 29, 2018

Sarah, I'm sorry,but I don't quite understand your questions. I think you were asking if they would live with me..No. They will live on the property in their own place, which will be at least 900 sq ft 2 bedroom, 1 bath home. They only thing they pay for is their own personal items and food. Of course there is plenty of frozen items (meats, fruit, vegetables) that they can have from the main house. I am also in the process of beginning to turn over 30 acres of my property into an organic vegetable/fruit/orchard so give me a couple years and they will have access to that free of charge. I also think you were asking if they can bring their family...I would have to consider that on a person to person basis and they would have to submit to background checks and other conditions if they want access to the property. No, they will not be considered a manager as I have a Estate Manager and they will answer to them for the most part. They will be considered a supervisor in their department. Considering all the travel that will be required I can see how it would be hard to do this job with a family,but if he/she is willing to compromise so am I to a point. If they have small children themselves then I would be willing to hire a private teacher that can travel with us. I plan having my children "home-schooled" by private tutors so what is one or more kids to add to the bunch. I want a long-term employee so if they give some so will I.

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Fair depends on the nanny experience, situation.

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I think it just fair enough with all the benefits. great offer for me.

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Yes, this salary is definitely fair. With paid holidays and free housing, they are getting a reasonable full years salary.

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User in Ypsilanti, MI
July 29, 2018

I think this is not only fair, but rather generous. This is exactly what I would expect as a "live in". Fair terms definitely. I appreciate that benefits and paid time off are included. Makes it worth it with all the travel involved over 2-3 years.

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OK, here goes with a nanny's opinion. Average salary these days is between $12 and $17, and it depends on where you live. Add $1 -$2 per child, which would make it $17 for four kids.That means, at the low end of the salary range, #1020 for a 60 hour work week Add to that extra duties like supervision of other employees, and it would be more (I'm not sure how much more though), and other skills like CPR,degrees ion a pertinent field, willingness to live in two different places, etc. That said, it sounds like a lovely job for someone who has no attachments elsewhere. And bless your heart, you are quite right about trying to care for six kids by myself....I would find the nearest tall building and jump off - I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. Would strongly recommend using a nanny finding agency. The way you could be fairly sure of getting the sort of person you need. They tend to check prospective employees thoroughly. Good luck with your search! Wendy

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Girl youre paying plenty. Thats an amazing salary

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Hello: First of all, I consider that a fair salary. It is a most interesting situation you have. Will these be foster children? Will you be the birth mother for 4 to 6 children? Where in CA and/or Hawaii? Would this money be tax free? I am interested in such a position. I am a sitter on the care.com site and am looking for full time work. I am older but full of energy and reliable. Best regards, Eileen RS

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User in Mindoro, WI
Aug. 22, 2018

I would do it for that price. Although moving twice a year would be a deal breaker for most people.

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That sounds very fair.

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more than that, I would make sure, if you live together what happens if it doesn't work out. You need to get at least, the month and what about your child. Can she be with you too..

Hello, Judith, They will have their own place on the property and I guess as for what happens if it does not work out depends on the reason. If it just personality or the work is too much for him/her then I don't see why they couldn't stay in the their house for at least 90 days after last day of employment. If they need more than that I would have to charge them rent for no more than an additional 90 days. I know what I am asking is a lot so I'm not going to kick them out on the streets simply because they cannot cope with the family or just me in general. Now, if they are terminated for being a danger to the family or other employees then it would have to handled on a case to case basis, but they would have to leave immediately. I would hope that even though they were justly terminated that the situation would allow me to help them locate, but at that point of termination I would have to let my lawyers and estate manager handle it. Now, I'm talking about the extremes of bodily injury or threat of bodily injury they would not be permitted to stay on the premises. The second question I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you asking what would happen with my child(ren) if the family assistant was let go/quit then nothing. They would be fine. I am going to be a single mother by choice and I am financially independent woman who will be at home with her kids for the most part. I don't work any longer and I have an Estate Manager that takes care of my various estates so I don't need a family assistant/nanny/manny to raise my kids. I need an extra pair of hands to help me with my family. I need someone to stay with the kids while I run errands and the like and to supervise the Au Pair and other child care/dog care staff. Their role will be to be me when I am away or to help me when I am home. Like I said in the past I am going through IVF and in the long run I want 4-6 kids and I know because of my age (37), race (African American), and IVF multiples are a strong possibility so it's best to know what type of help I may need in the future. Then again, you know what they say, "God laughs, when we make plans."

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I think your salary is very fair, and works out to be $24 an hour. Also just be aware that a 60 hour week is a lot for anyone, even if you are paying them well. I would suggest cutting the hours down to 40-45 hours. Everyone needs a break every now and then.

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 30, 2018

Dana, Eventually, the goal is to have them work a 40 hour week (within the first year),but I am hiring for 60 hours a week until we can get a schedule together. That is what I need and I am trying to be upfront with him/her. I would hate to hire someone for 40 hours weekly and then need to let them go because it is not working for me and my family. It pretty simple 60 hours a week, 5 days a week is the requirement and if they cannot work that it would be a waste of their time to apply. As for break they will have weekends off, 21 paid holidays, and 3-20 paid sick days, 14 - 30 days of paid vacation days depending on how long they work for the family. I understand I am asking a lot, and I appreciate everyone's feedback because it is truly needed. At the same time pay and benefits are negotiable, but the hours are not. I hate to seem mean and bullheaded, but I've been in situations where I was hired for "x" amount of hours and little by little the managers added on hours until I was working well over 80 hours a week and not getting paid overtime and it nearly killed me. I want to be very clear with the family assistant what I need and what I am offering. I need 60 hours, Monday - Friday, which I am willing to negotiate salary and other benefits, but not hours. Thanks again for your feedback

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Kiaya in Gaylord, MI
July 30, 2018

I personally think that this salary is very fair. As you said, you had worked for $10 an hour before and realized it was awful, and I respect the fact that you are considerate enough to pay your assistant more. Many families do not take that into consideration and try to pay as low as possible. I think you have thought it out thoroughly, offered great compensation, and would be a great person to work for. If you still are in need of someone feel free to message me. :)

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I'd say $15 an hour to $40 an hour.

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Alexa in Mesa, AZ
July 29, 2018

What you're offering is very fair considering what you're offering. Although I think that 60 hours a week is a little much for anyone but if that person doesn't have anything else going on then I think it's very fair!

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 29, 2018

Alexa, Yea, it is going to be a bit rough at first. My thoughts are that more than likely 40 hours a week, but as I going through IVF there is a high chance that multiples can happen and may need him/her to assist more in the beginning until we get on a schedule so I would hate to hire someone then start monkeying around with their hours. I figure I will hire them expecting 60 hours for 5 days a week then when we get on schedule or I know my baby(ies) then we will start to minimize hours to 40 hours without a decrease in pay.

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This is the ideal live in position. Will become a part of the family with great benefits, travel, working from home, great monthly pay, so I yes a big yes.

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Taylor in Baytown, TX
July 29, 2018

I think $20 an hr maybe

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User in Colton, CA
July 29, 2018

I honestly feel that $5,900 a month which would be about $24 an hour with housing and all those benefits are just perfect. Not many live in nannies get provided benefits, paid vacation, etc. I think this would be the perfect package.

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Kalley in Roanoke, VA
July 29, 2018

This sounds like very fair and extremely generous benefits to me. Most jobs would not offer a place to live and allowances. Of course, always consult with the person you are looking to hire and make sure it is reasonable for them and they can live on it.

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Lesly in Houston, TX
July 29, 2018

Wow! That sounds great. I think the pay and benefits are reasonable. I would work for you lol

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Sounds fair to me.

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I believe this is acceptable.

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Joe in Crockett, TX
July 29, 2018

I would do my research about the rate of a live in family assistant then compare it with what is being offered - negotiate.

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That sounds like a dream job! Where & how do I apply?

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Evelyn in Hialeah, FL
July 29, 2018

This is what is offered by you, it seems fair to me

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Where can I apply? This sounds that an amazing opportunity and you should not second guess any of your choices. Everything seems very fair.

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Donna in Alvarado, TX
Aug. 22, 2018

I think what you have laid out is very reasonable 1st year out. Things can always be adjusted. like more help, because depending on the ages of the children and if any have special needs. Since she will have a car issued to use for the transport of kids to events etc and even personal you should pay the insurance on the vehicle. if the other 2 caregivers under her will be housekeeper and outside maintenance as that should not be part of her duties except holding those accountable for delegated responsibilities.

User in Milwaukee, WI
Aug. 22, 2018

Donna, Thanks for the feedback. I must be missing something because I do not understand some of your concerns so I will reply to the best of my ability. As the car is still mine, but is offered for his/her use I think it should go without saying that I would be responsible for car insurance. Anyone who would expect their employee to pay insurance on their car is just taking advantage of their employee. If you mean I should pay for their insurance on their personal car if they transport my children and/or dogs then that will not be an issue as that will not be allowed. I have plenty of vehicles that can be used so although I am sure their own personal vehicle is safe I want my family in vehicles that I know the car maintenance history. No, this won't guarantee safety, but I feel better so this is a requirement and is not up for debate. As for the other two caregivers...they would be in his/her department which is the caring of the children and dogs mostly. Housekeeping and Maintenance fall under two completely different departments so they would have nothing to do with those department or the supervision of those department except for situations that directly pertain to the kids and/or dogs (i.e. laundry requests, broken play equipment). If he/she has a problem with other departments it is his/her job to take it up with the Estate Manager. It is the Estate Manager's job to hold everyone accountable in their responsibilities and it is best when everyone stays in their own lane and do their jobs. I hope this answered your concerns.

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Brenda in Foley, AL
July 18, 2018

Negotiate with the nanny and her needs. She is giving up her private life to live in your home. You pay the house bills and probably most of the food. If she needs health insurance, car pmt, car insurance on her car(especially if she uses her car for her job), and spending money, you might want to negotiate a salary based on her needs. If you are providing a car, then you can deduct car some of those items. If you don't compensate her appropriately, then she will become disenchanted with her living situation.

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 29, 2018

Brenda, Thanks for the feedback. No, he/she will not be staying in my home. They will receive a 900 sq ft 2 bedroom, 1.5 bath home on my 100 acre property. They will have access to a car for work and private use. I was also offering full medical, dental, and vision. No weekends unless for special situations like a baby dedication. Yea, I am open for negotiations as I have said before I would hate for him/her to feel like they are getting the short end of the straw.

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Laura in Phoenix, AZ
Aug. 13, 2018

I would love to have that job!!! I can do either California or Hawaii! I currently live in Scottsdale Arizona and That's quite a bit of money to pay. I would be happy to accept $50,000. (I have other sources income) Or any number you would like to pay between $25,000 and $50,000. I'm flexible. Sincerely, Laura Frances Miron Zaki Founder, Director Peace, Love, Hope Foundation

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Jamie in Flint, MI
Aug. 8, 2018

I think your offer is more than fair. It would be a great opportunity for the right fit and I wish I lived closer to apply myself! Health benefits included are a huge bonus as well. I hope it works out for you!

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Uh wow, if I didn't have a fairly large family of my own I would totally go for that job! lol I think that is a more than fair arrangement myself. But it is also going to depend upon the person you hire. Are they there because they love kids and truly want to help? Or are they there just because of the money? You may think you won't hire someone like that, but some people are good at faking things, and they may decide after awhile that this is too much work and they feel entitled to more. But on the other hand, you could get someone who is truly there because they love kids and they may think after awhile that they are doing a lot and need more also. To me, it sounds like because of the experience you had, you want to make sure you are taking care of the help and I feel that is exactly what you are doing. I applaud you! That sounds like a better job than I've ever had, even if you just count the pay and not all the other benefits you threw in as well.

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hmmm that i think to mush

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Wendy, Thanks for the feedback. I did the calculations and its comes out to be about $22-$25 an hour the first 2 years and then if they remain until after the 3rd year $27 - $35 an hour with a 3% increase each year, which you feel is not high enough. Do you have any suggested price as a nanny/assistant? I am looking for a long-time family assistant (20+ years) to be my right hand concerning the family needs. I have been trying to research for some figures and the average price for a live-in in my area is between $17-$19 give or take a dollar according to education and other factors. As for the nanny agency I usually just let my Estate Manager and the lawyers deal with hiring and researching staff, but I am going to be a more hands since I am entrusting them with my future children. I know this is not a "dream" job...single mother, uprooting yourself every 6 months, international & domestic travel at a moment notice, and the amount of kids/dogs that they will have to take care of. I just want to have everyone walk away feeling like they were not cheated or misused.

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Thank you for the feedback. I would hate to rip people off or mistreat them.

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I think that the nanny has paid well wish is great but on the other hand, she is like wise overwork and needs a assistance to help. What I would do is to hire another nanny split the money so that both being paid properly.At the same time, I have to keep my workers fit and happy to complete the daily job.

User in Milwaukee, WI
July 29, 2018

Claudia, Thanks for the feedback, but that is not what I need. I need one person to be me when I cannot be or offer support when I am there. There will be anywhere from 2-3 people besides the nanny there as support, but he/she needs to be able to take charge. If they cannot handle this then they do not need to apply. This job is not for the weak of heart. One day we could be laying about the property doing nothing but hanging around the pool and the next day we might have to leave for New Zealand at the last minute. Once again, thanks for the feedback every opinion helps

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I personally think that this is not too much. I grew up with 8 siblings so I am familiar with this amount of work. You have to keep in mind that everyone is different. Some people can't handle that amount of work and that's why you have to choose someone who has experience with big families and is a hard worker. The pay is reasonable and benefits you're offering are awesome!

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Marina in Irvine, CA
July 24, 2018

$15.00 an hour

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How much should you pay for a babysitter?