Time Out: How to Create a Discipline Plan
What if your nanny spanked your child? Do you have a family punishment plan? Here are 4 discipline strategies parents and caregivers can stick to.
For Cyndi and Ed Holbert of Powell, Idaho, discipline is a touchy issue -- literally. Ed doesn't hesitate to give their 3-year-old son Garrett a spanking when he misbehaves. Cyndi prefers to employ calm and consistent discipline. Spanking, she says, should be a last resort.
Their different approaches to parenting have not only put a strain on their marriage, but Garrett seems to be catching on. "He can tell something is up, and he's started to kind of play us against each other," Cyndi says.
Sound familiar? When you and your partner don't approach discipline in the same way, it can feel like you're being undermined at every turn. And if you're lucky enough to agree on discipline strategies, there may be other caregivers in your children's lives, like nannies or grandparents, who have their own opinions. No one wants their kids getting away with bad behavior during the day -- because the babysitter lets them off easy.
But no matter what their beliefs, most adults agree that children need discipline. In a recent survey on Care.com, 31% of parents said they do not have a discipline plan in place, 54% have spanked their child, and 94% believe there are social pressures against spanking. The lesson learned: No matter how they do it, parents need to get on the same punishment page.
"The whole idea behind a punishment is to teach the child a lesson that you feel will ultimately be in their best interest," says Robi Ludwig, Psy.D, parenting expert at Care.com. Here are her four strategies for creating a discipline strategy the whole family can stand behind.
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Discuss Discipline Upfront and Often
"Discipline is an issue that can be discussed even before you have kids," says Ludwig. Talk with your partner about how you were raised and how you feel about how your parents disciplined you. For the Holbert's, their discord stems in part from their difference in age: Ed is 22 years older than Cyndi. "We were raised in very different families, and a lot of the ways that we each parent comes from how we were parented," says Cyndi.You should have a similar discussion with your nanny during the hiring process. Ask her what she would do in different scenarios to make sure you will be comfortable with her discipline philosophy. And keep communicating with all parties as issues come up. If you take away a favorite toy from your daughter in the morning, make sure your nanny doesn't give it back to her as soon as you leave for work.
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Learn to Love the Differences
Not everyone in your children's lives will approach discipline in exactly the same way. That's okay, says Ludwig. Her father-in-law, for example, has a pet peeve about noise; he will verbally discipline his grandchildren when they play loudly. "It seems like a strong reaction to me, but when I'm struck by it, I step back and look at the overall picture, which is he that loves my children, he has his way, and that's okay," says Ludwig. "The whole idea behind discipline is to help prepare your child for the world. Kids need to learn that there are different personalities in the world who have different reactions to things." -
Try the Mildest Interventions First
That being said, you and your partner should work to have a unified game plan. "If the parents start arguing, then the child realizes that he can pit them against each other," says Ludwig. When you disagree on strategies for teaching your little one to behave, she advises starting with the most benign philosophy first. "If your partner believes in spanking, and you don't, then you can say, 'What you probably believe is that kids need to have limits set. My thinking is let's try to do that with a time out. If that doesn't work, then we can try your way'."Ludwig doesn't recommend spanking. Neither does the American Academy of Pediatrics. Studies have found that children who are spanked are more likely to be depressed and aggressive as adults. "Spanking tends to be a highly reactive approach to discipline," she says. "I think if spanking is done with control as a single, deliberate intervention to make a point with a child who is completely out of control, it's not abuse. But it shouldn't be the first or even second line of defense."
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Take a Step Back
When dealing with a caregiver, it's important to communicate your philosophy for discipline. Go over how you handle different levels of bad behavior and ask her to do the same. But there comes a time when you need to relax and let her figure out what discipline methods work best between her and your children (as long as she avoids spanking). "If you trust and love your nanny, and you really feel that she's smart and loves your kids, you can let them develop their own style with your children," says Ludwig.
The bottom line, however, is that parents have the ultimate say in how the children are disciplined. If you feel like you're being undermined, your children are not responding well to a caregiver, or worse -- that they're in danger -- don't hesitate to intervene. "If you see something you feel uncomfortable with, let them know," says Ludwig.
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I do not feel messy rooms, erratic sleeping schedules, or sassy answers are a problem, and I have been unlikely to punish my children for that. My husband would strongly react against all those offenses.
I feel strongly against laziness, poor effort to learn, bad grades, unnecessary spending, excessive drinking, attitudes/behaviors that could harm others, and in those cases will apply punishment or strongly state my opinion to my children as needed. My husband would shrug off most of those offenses.
I also was very giving of my time and attention, but not overly generous with money and gifts (other than books, or education expenses). I wanted them to get a job at as early an age as possible. Guess what has been my husband's attitude in those respects.
I do appreciate that some of you don't spank and I concede that you have your reasons for that...just as I have my reasons for resorting to spanking. I have tried about every discipline tactic under the sun and different tactics work with different offenses/situations. My child is very physical by nature and a swat on the backside gets his attention every time. Trust me, I try things before I go the spanking route (I'm a yeller by nature too btw, so flame me for that if you'd like) because I want that to be my last resort.
I don't enjoy spanking my child. I don't get some kind of sick satisfaction of power from doing it. I would rather not do it, period, but he's 3 and he's stubborn just like his momma and I have to be the parent and teach my son that there are consequences for his actions.
Thanks for the article, Amy!
With my children (now ages 19-32)I used (or threatened to use) the wooden spoon on them. First I giggled the drawer where it was located and then told them I'm getting my spoon. Well, if by then the problem hadn't ended, one pop on the bottom is what they got and it stung. I told them, "I warned you" and usually that was the end of the problem. (Of course, as teenagers, they ran as fast as they could away from me. They knew I meant business, LOL.
Yelling is something that is annoying. If you yell at your children, they will become yellers too. I learned on a tv show, that in Las Vegas, when a customer was yelling, the manager would lower his voice and then the customer would begin lowering his voice, etc., until the issue could be spoken about rationally. That works well with teenagers, too.
Thanks for the article.
I agree wholeheartedly that our job is to teach children respect and how to honor boundaries and other people with good behavior. I hate spanking as it is so reactive and emotional - at least for me - and it hardly seems respectful. I was spanked as a child and remember it being humiliating, thankfully only once or twice painful, and I guess I stopped whatever behavior caused ire in my folks, but I'm not sure. I just know that I never felt like I deserved to be hit -- so there are some hard feelings still. I have spanked my own children in desperation before, so I do understand the way we feel as parents when we think we have no other options. Still, it is not my routine go-to method, and I certainly don't think it would ever be constructive or effective if it was used liberally.
My kids are 5 and 13 and can probably count on one hand the number of times either has been spanked. No one is perfect, and discipline is a process -- a learning process for everyone, parents included. When we go awry is when what we call discipline is really a reactive outlet for our angst as parents and caregivers. I find kids who got the routine smack across the mouth for being sassy, just got sassier and quicker at dodging the blows as they got older. Kids can outgrow the effectiveness of a corrective method too, so I'm always stunned at folks who are still trying to beat their teenagers. That should kinda be a wakeup call...
For what it's worth, one of my kids did well with time-outs, loss of privileges (whatever they considered dear - not just a toy) and I've gotten good results from consistently offering the 1-2-3 count/warning before escalating discipline. The other could have cared less about any material consequence, but anything that felt like disapproval from mom and dad was crushing to her. So - we learned how to redirect with positive reinforcements...but that took longer to figure out. Discipline in our house is a mixed bag of tricks, and it means catching kids at their best, not just at their worst. That said, my kids know I don't joke around. If the bad behavior doesn't change after I've issued a warning, they can count on an immediate consequence. I'll take a kid out of a store in a heartbeat and leave my full grocery cart behind if that's what I've warned. What happens next is their choice in that they have to stay engaged with me in fixing the situation (by changing their behavior), rather than submit to being passive and getting hit. I think the latter just gives anger a deeper foothold on a kid's soul. Thankfully, my kiddos have learned and they now typically choose to change course and we get on about our business - but they didn't start out that way. It's a conditioning process.
I want to condition my kids to think, be thoughtful, and not just how to duck their heads and run if they see a hand coming at them. As a result, we also do a lot of hugging in our home; everyone says please and thank you for the littlest things; and remind each other that, while everyone experiences bad behavior from time to time, we all have a lot of good things to offer each other.
Spanking is the easy way out. The adult gets instant results instead of having to spend the time figuring out what method of discipline might actually be effective. There are many parenting classes out there for those willing to commit the time and effort. And I'm not talking about time outs. I'm talking about working together as parents, as a united front, to make a change in discipline methods. Discipline means "to teach." I don't see how a child is ever taught to respect an adult just because they're bigger and can hit them. If you're objective is fear, well, then you've got it in the bag...
Although I believe in spanking as a method of discipline, and my husband and I plan to discipline our children by spanking when necessary, I would NEVER for any reason spank another parent's child. That is not my right, and as a caregiver, I will only do what the parent views an acceptable form of discipline.
According to the experts, "Harsh physical punishment was associated with increased odds of mood disorders, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug abuse/dependence, and several personality disorders after adjusting for sociodemographic variables and family history of dysfunction ".
So, it's not what we (caregivers) think or what they (parents) think, but what the facts are, according to this recent study. So, if you want the children in your world to have any of the disorders described in the study, go ahead and spank them.
If you want your children or the ones under your care to thrive and become well-adjusted adults, study the facts and learn ways of helping them adjust without resorting to spanking or other harsh ways of punishment.
I don't care who says it; the Official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the president, my next door neighbor, whoever. I think that is baloney. The MAJORITY of the people I know were spanked growing up and they are all perfectly fine, normal, good people. None of them have mood or anxiety disorders, none of them have a problem with substance abuse,and none of them have personality disfunctions!! Those symptoms could much more likely stem from ABUSE, NOT discipline. There is a vast difference between the two. I will say it again... though I plan to discipline my children when I have them, I will never EVER spank someone else's child. EVER.
I've NEVER turned towards physically disciplining a child, and I RARELY ever turn towards timeout. When I work with children ages 2-9, I rely on their smarts and respect. I let them know very quietly and firmly when I am disappointed and in the 4 years of experience with 12-30 children a day, this has never failed me.
You need to be consistent with your ways, if one minute you falter and have given in to your 7 year old who should have had his game taken away or whatever, sit him down and tell him that you were wrong when you didn't do what you should have done. Tell him you were overwhelmed and you needed a break. Let your children know how you are feeling, they have feelings too, and are ABLE to understand what you are saying. Share with them and they will gain respect from you.
HOWEVER Don't be confused when your child begins hitting when they are mad and you can't figure out why. If you can't use "Would I ever do that to you?" on them, then you aren't doing it right if they are able to answer "yes."
If I ever caught anyone spanking my child, I would have them arrested.
According to the experts, "Harsh physical punishment was associated with increased odds of mood disorders, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug abuse/dependence, and several personality disorders after adjusting for sociodemographic variables and family history of dysfunction " "
I would assume that "harsh pysical punishment" would have a bucketload of negative effects on a childs psyche. Fortunately, my parents taught me how to spank by example; never once have I experienced harsh physical punishment. But I sure have been spanked.
To all who assume spanking causes aggression: My 2 1/2 year old son has never hit another child out of aggression, even when being physically bullied by other children (he does tell them "no-no" and "naughty" though lol). He is compassionate: if he accidentally gives mommy a boo-boo (boys tend to be rough) he gets very worried and kisses it better. He gets worried and upset when he sees other children get hurt or cry (unless they are mad and then he identifies it as naughty...) He does not yell. He does not throw temper tantrums. He doesn't have a bad attitude or make nasty-faces when he doesn't get his way. This is how my siblings and I were growing up. We would never have dreamed of being mean or calling names or phyisically hitting one another. I remember being wide-eyed when our friends were nasty with their brothers and sisters. We didn't understand why they'd want to hurt each other. Spanking did not make us angry or depressed or want to try harder to get away with things. Spankings would sting, but it taught us that bad decisions in life can be painful. We took life seriously. Like another poster has mentioned, when a parent isn't angry or upset or aggressive, and they explain why the child has warranted a spanking and follow it up with hugs and kisses, it works, and it doesn't leave emotional scars. I can imagine that children popped or slapped or belted out of frustration would have problems with it. I would. That's laziness on the parent's part and also in a lot of cases abusive. Sarcastically call us "positive spankers", but if you had to spend a day with my child I doubt you'd have negative things to say about it then.
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I just had my little boy and he is a biter. He will bite himself, other people, and draw blood. I did try many different forms of discipline but the one thing that got the point across was popping his mouth. Even though I suffered an extreme version of spanking, I did learn to be respectful, to be considerate, to look before I leap and I know that I work harder to achieve perfection that anyone in my family. I knew that my tough upbringing made me a tougher and more capable person. With my son I knew if his lip stung when he bit he would eventually stop and for the most part he has. i coupled the pop with no and eventually no became the reminder of the sting that reminded him biting hurts me. So now all I have to do is say no and he listens to almost every no for everything, not just biting. No means no, lets go, do not touch, stop, and at one he respects my words and requests and I reward his good behavior with kisses and he will come and kiss me to apologize when he attempts to bite or touch something and he successfully refrains or shows restraint. He knows good behavior means kisses and bad behavior results in time out in play pen now.
Some of you have mentioned that inducing fear in children is a bad thing but I propose you think of it this way. If a child does not fear falling will he not continue to walk off a cliff, if a child does not experience shame how can he comprehend pride, if a child does not get hurt or fail then how does he or she learn from their mistakes? Fear if used properly is a natural occurrence in life.
I do however feel that a child's experiences of fear should be limited and controlled within a loving setting. For example, children learning to swim. Parent's who put their screaming children into water are possibly causing more psychological damage than a parent who pops their child's mouth for cursing or biting. Some children will dive in while others need reassurance. Some children respond to soft voices where other children distractions; some children that need a harsher tone and a swift tap on the hand or rump.
Popping a child on the hand, mouth, or tail is meant to be a warning. It is meant to cause a reaction so children remember this is bad for me, or this hurts, or this is not safe. As the child become old enough to communicate a parent's most important tactic should be verbal communication. Sometimes its faster to pop a child's hand who is reaching for a cup of hot coffee then to say no honey ouch it is hot. After the pop a parent explain his or her behavior to the child, why its hot, and even let the child see the steam or feel the warmth outside the cup to explain what hot is. Consistent communication, emotional expression, and unchanging discipline are almost more important than the type of discipline. My personal experience was a severe example of a inconsistent and aggressive parenting style but I am more successful than most of my friends and family. The style I use for my son is mostly focused around positive reinforcement but at one point negative reinforcement was needed to protect him. ( popping a child's hand is not abuse!)
Sorry for the typos it is late :). Each child is different and no two children will react the same to techniques it really is a trial and error approach. What most parent's fail to realize is that it can take three to four weeks before a technique has a direct impact on behavior so if you try talking and positive reinforcement give it time. I waited four months before I popped my son's mouth. He was nine months old and had been biting since he's was five months old. He had eight teeth by eight months and was the size of a two year old so his development was much different then the average child. He needed a stern hand and now he's a boy who loves kisses, laughs, and is perfectly happy knowing that biting mommy or people is wrong. The hand popping was only used a few times and got the message across.
When you treat a child, or adult, with respect most of the time, getting excited, swatting the bottom or hand when reaching for a sharp knife or hot coffee, or keeping a child from running into the street, is not going to scar them for life. It's those moments when counting to 3 is not an option. Timeouts are not going to stop an impulsive child from darting in front of a car. Use timeouts, explanations (sometimes the explantation is simply because I said so and I'm the adult), withholding privileges, toys, treats, leave the restaurant, store, go home, take away video games, computer time, cell phones or require extra duties like sweeping the floor if they dump a whole box of Cheerios on the kitchen floor; whatever works. And remember that what works for one child may be useless with the other child.
And please remember, as was brought out in the article, that even if you can tolerate loud screeches coming from the living room, Grandma and Grandpa have paid their dues, they raised you, and now they prefer inside voices. If your children are allowed to use your living room furniture as gymnastic equipment, ie: trampolines, we prefer your darlings don't walk on, bounce on, throw themselves on or otherwise mistreat our furniture. Ok, now I'm just venting. If you have read this far, you deserve a prize.